Jamie Sabbach featured on the Strong Towns "Upzoned" Podcast Episode "When The Ribbon Cutting Is the Cheapest Part"

Jamie Sabbach was featured on the Strong Towns "Upzoned" Podcast on the May 13th, 2026 episode titled, "When The Ribbon Cutting Is the Cheapest Part".

In this episode, Jamie joins show host, Norm Van Eeden Petersman, and writer Michel Durand-Wood to talk about what cities consistently leave out of long-term capital and maintenance planning decisions. Construction is only about 20% of what a public asset costs over its lifetime, and most cities aren't planning for the rest. The conversation gets into maintenance backlogs, why capital and operating budgets are really the same money, and what a city would actually decide if the 50-year cost were part of the conversation from the start.

Check out the full episode on Strong Towns!